{"id":1370,"date":"2007-09-17T11:41:46","date_gmt":"2007-09-17T16:41:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/cosmicvariance\/2007\/09\/17\/rationality-revisited\/"},"modified":"2013-10-27T19:39:12","modified_gmt":"2013-10-28T02:39:12","slug":"rationality-revisited","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2007\/09\/17\/rationality-revisited\/","title":{"rendered":"Rationality Revisited"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Speaking about how someone with a physics background might approach economics, you might prefer intimidatingly-informed commentary over my unfettered-by-knowledge <a href=\"http:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2007\/09\/13\/so-what-have-you-been-maximizing-lately\/\">noodling<\/a>.  In that case, you should zip over to Cosma Shalizi&#8217;s blog, where he offers a thoroughly-hyperlinked <a href=\"http:\/\/cscs.umich.edu\/~crshalizi\/weblog\/517.html\">meditation on the state of econophysics<\/a>.  Full of good stuff along the lines of:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So then: why oh why <em>don&#8217;t<\/em> we have better econophysics?<\/p>\n<p>The first reason which occurs to me, now that I&#8217;m a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.imstat.org\/\">dues-paying<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amstat.org\/\">card-carrying<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stat.cmu.edu\/~cshalizi\/\">statistician<\/a>, is that almost all econophysicists are <em>theoretical<\/em> physicists, and moreover <em> statistical<\/em> physicists.  (I&#8217;m one myself, or at least was through my <a href=\"http:\/\/bactra.org\/thesis\/\">Ph.D.<\/a>)  Modern physics began, in the 17th century, by fusing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.powells.com\/cgi-bin\/partner?partner_id=27627&amp;cgi=product&amp;isbn=9780521639903\">mathematical<br \/>\ntheorizing<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.powells.com\/cgi-bin\/partner?partner_id=27627&amp;cgi=product&amp;isbn=0226764230\">artisanal craft<\/a>, but one result of our progress has been to impose a specialized division of labor, sharply separating theory and experiment; Fermi was probably the last physicist to be both a great theorist and a great experimenter. (Perhaps this is connected to his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stat.columbia.edu\/~cook\/movabletype\/archives\/2006\/06\/history_of_mont.html\">invention of Monte Carlo<\/a>?)  This means that it is very rare for a theoretical physicist to analyze actual empirical <em>data<\/em> (say, measurements of magnetic susceptibility), which is what the <em>experimentalists<\/em> do. Theorists instead deal with experimental <em>results<\/em> (say, that the susceptibility depends on temperature in such-and-such a way).  In high energy physics, theorists are actually so remote from contact with experimentalists that a separate guild of interface specialists (&#8220;phenomenologists&#8221;) has arisen to mediate between them.  As a natural consequence of this division of labor, theorists receive no instruction at all in data analysis, let alone statistical inference.  <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There is much more.  Jim Cronin once loaned me some videotapes of old news shows from the 1940&#8217;s that featured interviews with <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Enrico_Fermi\">Enrico Fermi<\/a>.  He was an amazing guy, the kind who would kill time on a free afternoon by coming up with an explanation for the origin of cosmic rays.  It&#8217;s too bad that, in the popular or semi-popular imagination, his name doesn&#8217;t immediately pop up on the list of the demigods of 20th-century physics.  You could make a solid case that he should be number two after Einstein.<\/p>\n<p>Crooked Timber <a href=\"http:\/\/crookedtimber.org\/2007\/09\/17\/its-hour-come-around-at-last\/\">links<\/a> to Cosma&#8217;s post, and also features a <a href=\"http:\/\/crookedtimber.org\/2007\/09\/17\/rationality-and-utility\/\">post by John Quiggin<\/a> that follows up on mine.  He notes that most of my suggestions are well-incorporated into economics, which is no surprise.  The part that is judged interesting is the idea that social scientists would be well-served to distinguish between descriptive notions of what people do and prescriptive notions of what is considered &#8220;rational.&#8221;  A <a href=\"http:\/\/www.economist.com\/blogs\/freeexchange\/2007\/09\/toward_nonvacuous_economics.cfm\">blog at <em>The Economist<\/em><\/a> (the magazine they like to call a newspaper) makes a similar point, so maybe there is something there.  Indeed, we are informed that this kind of reasoning keeps popping up despite the fact that <a href=\"http:\/\/crookedtimber.org\/2006\/10\/18\/i-refuse-to-use-that-word-but\/\">Joseph Butler<\/a> demolished it 300 years ago, so there must be something attractive about it.  (Hey, David Hume demolished the argument from design before William Paley even popularized it, but you don&#8217;t see it fading away, do you?)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Speaking about how someone with a physics background might approach economics, you might prefer intimidatingly-informed commentary over my unfettered-by-knowledge noodling. In that case, you should zip over to Cosma Shalizi&#8217;s blog, where he offers a thoroughly-hyperlinked meditation on the state of econophysics. 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