{"id":11225,"date":"2013-06-05T10:55:27","date_gmt":"2013-06-05T17:55:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/?p=11225"},"modified":"2013-06-05T10:55:27","modified_gmt":"2013-06-05T17:55:27","slug":"firewalls-burning-brightly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2013\/06\/05\/firewalls-burning-brightly\/","title":{"rendered":"Firewalls, Burning Brightly"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2012\/12\/21\/firewalls\/\">firewall puzzle<\/a> is the claim that, if information is ultimately conserved as black holes evaporate via Hawking radiation, then an infalling observer sees a ferocious wall of high-energy radiation as they fall through the event horizon. This is contrary to everything we&#8217;ve ever believed about black holes based on classical and semi-classical reasoning, so if it&#8217;s true it&#8217;s kind of a big deal. <\/p>\n<p>The argument in favor of firewalls is based on everyone&#8217;s favorite spooky physical phenomenon, quantum entanglement. Think of a Hawking photon near the event horizon of a very old (mostly-evaporated) black hole, about to sneak out to the outside world. If there is no firewall, the quantum state near the horizon is (pretty close to) the vacuum, which is unique. Therefore, the outgoing photon will be completely entangled with a partner ingoing photon &#8212; the negative-energy guy who is ultimately responsible for the black hole losing mass. However, if information is conserved, that outgoing photon must also be entangled with the radiation that left the hole much earlier. This is a problem because quantum entanglement is &#8220;monogamous&#8221; &#8212; one photon can&#8217;t be maximally entangled with two other photons at the same time. (Awww.) The simplest way out, so the story goes, is to break the entanglement between the ingoing and outgoing photons, which means the state is not close to the vacuum. Poof: firewall.<\/p>\n<p>You folks read about this some time ago in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2012\/09\/27\/guest-post-joe-polchinski-on-black-holes-complementarity-and-firewalls\/\">a guest post by Joe Polchinski<\/a>, one of the authors (with Ahmed Almheiri, Don Marolf, and James Sully, thus &#8220;AMPS&#8221;) of <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/arXiv:1207.3123\">the original paper<\/a>. I&#8217;m just updating now to let you know: almost a year later, the controversy has not gone away.<\/p>\n<p>You can read about some of the current state of play in <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1304.6483\">An Apologia for Firewalls<\/a>, by the above authors plus Douglas Stanford. (Those of us with good Catholic educations understand that &#8220;apologia&#8221; means &#8220;defense,&#8221; not &#8220;apology.&#8221;) We also had a physics colloquium by Joe at Caltech last week, where he masterfully explained the basics of the black hole information paradox as well as the recent firewall brouhaha. Caltech is not very good at technology (don&#8217;t let the name fool you), so we don&#8217;t record our talks, but Joe did agree to put his slides up on the web, which you can now all enjoy. Aimed at physics students, so there might be an equation or two in there.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.slideshare.net\/slideshow\/embed_code\/22412230\" width=\"597\" height=\"486\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" style=\"border:1px solid #CCC;border-width:1px 1px 0;margin-bottom:5px\" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen> <\/iframe> <\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-bottom:5px\"> <strong> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slideshare.net\/joepolchinski\/firecit\" title=\"Fire.cit\" target=\"_blank\">Fire.cit<\/a> <\/strong> from <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.slideshare.net\/joepolchinski\" target=\"_blank\">Joe Polchinski<\/a><\/strong> <\/div>\n<p>Just to point out a couple of intriguing ideas that have come along in response to the AMPS proposal, one paper that has deservedly received a lot of attention is <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1211.6767\">An Infalling Observer in AdS\/CFT<\/a> by Kyriakos Papadodimas and Suvrat Raju. They consider the AdS\/CFT correspondence, which relates a theory of gravity in anti-de Sitter space to a non-gravitational field theory on its boundary. One can model black holes in such a theory, and see what the boundary field theory has to say about them. Papadodimas and Raju argue that they don&#8217;t see any evidence of firewalls. It&#8217;s suggestive, but like many AdS\/CFT constructions, comes across as a bit of a black box; even if there aren&#8217;t any firewalls, it&#8217;s hard to pinpoint exactly what part of the original AMPS argument is at fault.<\/p>\n<p>More radically, there was just a new paper by Juan Maldacena and Lenny Susskind, <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1306.0533\">Cool Horizons for Entangled Black Holes<\/a>. These guys have tenure, so they aren&#8217;t afraid of putting forward some crazy-sounding ideas, which is what they&#8217;ve done here. (Note the enormous difference between &#8220;crazy-sounding&#8221; and &#8220;actually crazy.&#8221;) They are proposing that, when two particles are entangled, there is actually a tiny wormhole connecting them through spacetime. This seems bizarre from a classical general-relativity standpoint, since such wormholes would instantly collapse upon themselves; but they point out that their wormholes are &#8220;highly quantum objects.&#8221; They claim there is evidence that such a conjecture makes sense, although they can&#8217;t confidently argue that it gets rid of the firewalls.<\/p>\n<p>I suspect further work is required. Good times.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The firewall puzzle is the claim that, if information is ultimately conserved as black holes evaporate via Hawking radiation, then an infalling observer sees a ferocious wall of high-energy radiation as they fall through the event horizon. This is contrary to everything we&#8217;ve ever believed about black holes based on classical and semi-classical reasoning, so [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[28],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11225","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-science"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11225","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11225"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11225\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11228,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11225\/revisions\/11228"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11225"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11225"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11225"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}