{"id":11173,"date":"2013-05-13T08:37:15","date_gmt":"2013-05-13T15:37:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/?p=11173"},"modified":"2013-05-13T08:37:43","modified_gmt":"2013-05-13T15:37:43","slug":"templeton-redux","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2013\/05\/13\/templeton-redux\/","title":{"rendered":"Templeton Redux"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Not much more to say about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2013\/05\/08\/on-templeton\/\">the Templeton Foundation<\/a>, but in the interest of open discussion it seems fair to point to a couple of alternative viewpoints. My original post was republished at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/health_and_science\/science\/2013\/05\/i_won_t_take_money_from_templeton_science_and_religion_can_t_be_reconciled.html\">Slate<\/a>, where there are over 3300 comments thus far, so apparently people like to talk about this stuff?<\/p>\n<p>For a more pro-Templeton point of view, here&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.personal.psu.edu\/jtw13\/blogs\/astrowright\/2013\/05\/should-i-have-asked-for-templeton-money.html\">Jason Wright<\/a>, explaining why he didn&#8217;t think it was wrong to take money from JTF. While he is a self-described atheist, he thinks that &#8220;questions like the ultimate origin of the Universe and Natural Law may be beyond scientific inquiry,&#8221; and correspondingly in favor of dialogue between science and religion. To be as clear as possible, I have no objections at all to dialogue between scientists and religious believers, having participated in such and planning on continuing to do so. I just want to eliminate any possibility that my own contribution to such a dialogue will favor any position other than &#8220;religion is incorrect.&#8221; (Obviously that depends on one&#8217;s definition of &#8220;religion,&#8221; so if you want to indulge in a boring discussion of what the proper definition should be &#8212; be my guest.)<\/p>\n<p>From an anti-Templeton perspective, <a href=\"http:\/\/whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com\/2013\/05\/12\/templeton-sean-carroll-and-the-ethics-of-mixing-science-and-faith\/\">here&#8217;s Jerry Coyne<\/a>, who doesn&#8217;t accept that it&#8217;s okay to draw a line between JTF itself and distinct organizations that take money from them. (Jerry&#8217;s post is perfectly reasonable, even if I disagree with it &#8212; but a short trip down to the comment section will give you a peer into the mind of the more fervently committed.)  That&#8217;s fine &#8212; I admit from the start that this is a complicated issue, and people will draw the line in different places. But let&#8217;s admit that it is a complicated issue, and not pretend that there are any straightforward and easy answers. <\/p>\n<p>One thing that seems to bother some people is that I agreed to be on the Board of Advisors for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/2013\/05\/02\/nautilus\/\"><em>Nautilus<\/em><\/a>, a new science magazine that takes funding from Templeton. It&#8217;s instructive to have a look at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.worldsciencefestival.com\/advisors\">Board of Advisors for the World Science Festival<\/a>, another organization that takes funding from Templeton. It&#8217;s a long and distinguished list, and here are some of the names included: Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Lawrence Krauss, Steven Pinker, Steven Weinberg. Are these folks insufficiently sincere in their atheistic worldview? Alternatively, would the world be a better place if they all resigned? I would argue not, for the simple reason that the WSF does enormous good for the world, and is an organization well worth supporting, even if I don&#8217;t agree with all of their decisions.<\/p>\n<p>Refusing to have anything to do with an organization that takes money from a foundation we don&#8217;t like is easier said than done. What about, say, the University of Chicago? Here they&#8217;re taking $3.7 million from Templeton for something called <a href=\"http:\/\/www.templeton.org\/what-we-fund\/grants\/expanding-spiritual-knowledge-through-science-chicago-multidisciplinary-research\">Expanding Spiritual Knowledge Through Science: Chicago Multidisciplinary Research Network<\/a>. And here&#8217;s $5.6 million from Templeton for a program labeled <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newfrontiersinastronomy.org\/about.html\">New Frontiers in Astronomy and Cosmology,<\/a> celebrating &#8220;a unique opportunity to honor the extraordinary vision of Sir John Templeton.&#8221; And here&#8217;s $2.2 million for a program on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chicagobooth.edu\/about\/newsroom\/press-releases\/2007\/2007-01-23\">Understanding Human Nature to Harness Human Potential<\/a>. Not to mention that the UofC has quite a prominent <a href=\"http:\/\/divinity.uchicago.edu\/\">Divinity School<\/a> (home of the best coffee shop on campus) and <a href=\"http:\/\/facilities.uchicago.edu\/construction\/theological-seminary.shtml\">Seminary<\/a>. (They also denied me tenure, which doubtless set the cause of reason and rationality back centuries.) <\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no question that the University of Chicago has done much more to promote the cause of religion in the world than <em>Nautilus<\/em> has &#8212; which has been, to date, precisely nothing. One could say, with some justification, that some parts of the UofC have promoted religion, while other parts have not, and it&#8217;s okay to be involved with those other parts. But we begin to see how fuzzy the line is. Big grants like those above generally put a fraction of their funds toward &#8220;overhead,&#8221; which goes into general upkeep of the institution as a whole. Can we really be sure that, as we walk across the lawn, the groundskeeping was not partially paid for by the pernicious Templeton Foundation? <\/p>\n<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean that self-respecting atheists employed by the UofC should instantly resign. I&#8217;m sure you could play the same game with most big universities. The world would not be improved by having thousands of atheist professors abandon their posts out of principle.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s much more sensible to be a consequentialist rather than a <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Deontological_ethics\">deontologist<\/a> when it comes to these ethical questions. I&#8217;m not going to stay away from <em>Nautilus<\/em>, or the World Science Festival, or the Foundational Questions Institute, out of some fruit-of-the-poisonous-tree doctrine according to which they have become forever tainted by accepting money from Templeton. Rather, I&#8217;m going to try to judge whether these organizations provide a net good for the world; I will complain when I think they are making a mistake; and if I think they&#8217;ve gone too far in a direction I don&#8217;t personally like, I will disengage. That&#8217;s the best I think I can do, according to my own conscience. Others will doubtless feel differently.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/11-ticklebear4u.com-IGRAINE-LOLCAT.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/11-ticklebear4u.com-IGRAINE-LOLCAT.jpg\" alt=\"11-ticklebear4u.com-IGRAINE-LOLCAT\" width=\"400\" height=\"312\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11186\" srcset=\"https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/11-ticklebear4u.com-IGRAINE-LOLCAT.jpg 400w, https:\/\/preposterousuniverse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/11-ticklebear4u.com-IGRAINE-LOLCAT-300x234.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Not much more to say about the Templeton Foundation, but in the interest of open discussion it seems fair to point to a couple of alternative viewpoints. My original post was republished at Slate, where there are over 3300 comments thus far, so apparently people like to talk about this stuff? 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